Subject: [done] Island of Terror (1966)
27/02/2008 @ 01:09:19: Kooshmeister: [done] Island of Terror (1966)
Here's three more (in fact the only three cars in this entire movie, saved a Westland Whirlwind helicopter). Hope I got the filesize right this time. :smile:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Kooshmeister/iot_car.jpg
Austin Sixteen (?) used by the main characters throughout the film. I have no idea what it is, but it's got suicide doors. 4 stars.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Kooshmeister/iot_landrover1.jpg
Despite the filename, actually the second of two Land Rovers in the film. 3 stars.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/Kooshmeister/iot_landrover2.jpg
The first Land Rover (again, despite the filename), seen only at the beginning. 2 stars.

Both Land Rovers are the exact same type of model, but they're owned by different characters, the first by the movie's resident mad scientist, the other by a supporting good guy.
27/02/2008 @ 17:50:45: Wampa-One: Island of Terror (1966)
Kooshmeister,
You got the dimensions correct, but the file size is still too large (or as antp calls it, too “heavy”). If you right-click on the image and look at the properties it says the file size of 133570 bytes (130 KB). The maximum size allowed to upload is 80 KB, but recommended maximum size for DVD-quality is 40-60 KB depending on the image height and amount of detail in it. This means there needs to be compression of these images to make the file size smaller.

I don’t know what program you used, but in previous instances like this antp has recommended that compression be set to 20 or 25% (or quality to 80 or 75% depending on the program) when resizing. The only program I have experience with for doing this is http://www.xnview.com/, and for that I just leave the compression on the default setting and enter the maximum width or height depending on which aspect ratio.

I should be able to compress these at home tonight so you do not have to re-upload to the photo-hosting service (unless you would like the practice), but for future reference this info can be found here:
http://forum.imcdb.org/forum_topic-1201-How_you_can_submit_pictures_NEW.html :wink:
27/02/2008 @ 21:54:19: Kooshmeister: Island of Terror (1966)
All right, I downloaded XnView....but I am unable to figure how to compress a file with it. I'm admittedly a little confused about the difference between simply resizing a picture and "compressing" it.

And, the program I use for screencapping is Sonic CinePlayer.
27/02/2008 @ 22:59:58: antp: Island of Terror (1966)
"compressing" means save to jpeg, with a selected compression ratio. You can define this by clicking "options" in the save as dialog, once you have selected jpeg as format.
You can also do that for many files at a time by going in tools -> batch processing.
27/02/2008 @ 23:01:28: antp: Island of Terror (1966)
and for that I just leave the compression on the default setting


Well, this depends what value is set as default one. On my PC it sets 95% quality by default which is way too much.
28/02/2008 @ 03:29:10: Wampa-One: Island of Terror (1966)
For using XnView to resize and compress at the same time, all I do is open XnView, then File>Open to open the image. Next I select Image>Resize. The only thing I enter is either the maximum allowed width or maximum allowed height (whichever ends up being the dimension which is the limiting factor). For standard 4:3 aspect ratio, I type 500 for the height in pixels, and the width is automatically calculated. If the image is 16:9 widescreen aspect ratio, I enter 720 for the width in pixels, and the height is automatically calculated. Then I click OK, then File>Save or Save As, and name the file whatever I want to (usually I just overwrite the original file).

I admit I do not understand the inner workings of what happens, but it seems that the compression intertwined with the resizing. I guess that is what XnView calls “Resample”.

By default settings, I mean that I did not change any of the settings before I began using the program. I left “Keep aspect ratio” checked and I left “Resample: Lanczos” which is how it was when I downloaded it. http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/9461/capture20080227ca3.th.jpg

Sorry if I did not explain any of this clearly enough. Let me know if you have any other questions, and I’ll do my best to help.
28/02/2008 @ 03:52:31: Wampa-One: Island of Terror (1966)
[done]

http://www.imcdb.org/movie_60548-Island-of-Terror.html
28/02/2008 @ 10:30:13: antp: Island of Terror (1966)
My comment was not about resize settings but about compression/quality in save settings.
i.e.:
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/8103/image2cv5.png
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/4954/image3xg7.png
when you just do "save" I do not really know what compression/quality setting it uses...
28/02/2008 @ 16:19:24: Kooshmeister: Island of Terror (1966)
I've tried everything and I still don't understand how in the world this is supposed to work. I experimented with the picture of the Austin, and found I couldn't make it be lower than 129.19 KB without it being 720x405. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but there is just no way I'm able to make the filesize smaller but keep the dimensions the same.

EDIT: I did find one way. By resizing the picture to 500x281, then saving it, then resizing it back to 720x405, with the resulting filesize lowered to 23.9 KB....but with a (very minor) loss of picture quality.

EDIT II: I'm now fooling around with screenshots of the cars from Darkman. Oddly, when in their original size of 864x486, their filesize is only 31.40 KB...and I used Sonic CinePlayer to take them just as I did with Island of Terror and the others. What gives? Does it have something to do with the quality of the DVD? Because the visual quality of the Darkman DVD is way better than that of Island of Terror's....
28/02/2008 @ 17:09:42: antp: Island of Terror (1966)

EDIT: I did find one way. By resizing the picture to 500x281, then saving it, then resizing it back to 720x405, with the resulting filesize lowered to 23.9 KB....but with a (very minor) loss of picture quality.

I doubt that there is only a very minor loss in that. Half of details must have been lost.

EDIT II: Oddly, when in their original size of 864x486, their filesize is only 31.40 KB...

If they become so big after, I guess that when you resize them you do not adjust the compression ratio. Did you resize them one by one or dod you use the batch conversion?
28/02/2008 @ 17:16:28: Kooshmeister: Island of Terror (1966)

I doubt that there is only a very minor loss in that. Half of details must have been lost.


No, not really, surprisingly. Not to my eyes, anyway.

If they become so big after, I guess that when you resize them you do not adjust the compression ratio. Did you resize them one by one or dod you use the batch conversion?


I'm afraid I have no idea what in the world you're asking. Are you implying 31.40 KB is too big to submit to the site? Is 31.40 KB bigger or smaller than 80 KB? Like, well, look, here is a Lincoln from Darkman I resized in XnView:

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5121/darkmanlincolntowncariv0.th.jpg

Is that the proper filesize for the site? Because honestly, that's all I care about, I'm so frustrated with this whole business and there's a lot I wish to contribute.
28/02/2008 @ 17:56:09: Wampa-One: Island of Terror (1966)
Kooshmeister,
As far as I can tell, the Lincoln from Darkman that you resized looks perfect to upload. Don’t let yourself get too frustrated, we’re glad to have your contributions. :wink:
28/02/2008 @ 18:00:27: Kooshmeister: Island of Terror (1966)
Awesome, then. :smile:
28/02/2008 @ 21:32:03: antp: [done] Island of Terror (1966)
I do not agree with the "looks perfect"... the image is not very sharp for a picture coming from a DVD. It seems that indeed it was resized to a smaller width and the resized back to higher width.
Indeed it complies with size (pixels & kb) restrictions of the site, but as I said there is some detail loss, which is not good.
Can you also upload the non-resized picture to compare?

About size, 31 is of course smaller than 80, my message was referring to the 129 KB mentioned earlier but I did not quote the right part.

About the end of my message, I was asking if you resize the pictures you open each one individually, i.e. resize, save, next image, resize, save, etc.
Or if you used the "Batch conversion" thing that you can find in tools menu (which allows to process all pictures in few clicks).
28/02/2008 @ 21:43:06: Kooshmeister: [done] Island of Terror (1966)
Can you also upload the non-resized picture to compare?


It looks pretty much the same, because my DVD capture program is finicky; it tends to soften up the image. I admit that this is a problem with a movie like Darkman due to it being a new DVD, but it's one I'm not terribly concerned about.

As for Island of Terror, that movie is just old, the print the DVD uses is a bit bad, and some scenes look a bit soft or washed out; but you'll get no complaining from me. I'm grateful there even is a DVD for it.
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